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Multimedia and LGBT Visionary Jeffrey Marsh Joins the Aged to Perfection Podcast
What better way to start the New Year off than a chat with Jeffrey Marsh? Jeffrey exploded on Vine with his short, intensely inspirational videos about being yourself and celebrating who you are, and his #DontSayThatsSoGay campaign. Seen as both an example and a lifeline by many people who feel different in a world that often doesn’t accept differences, Jeffrey talked with us about self-acceptance, happiness, joy, and making your own space in the world.
Co-hosts Mark McNease and Rick Rose had the pleasure of speaking with Jeffrey just before the holidays and we think you’ll find him as encouraging, generous and supportive of everyone’s unique expression as we did.
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Interview: Michael Fairman from Michael Fairman On-Air On-Soaps
By Rick Rose
Michael Fairman has been in the soap opera business for well over half his life. Our Rick Rose met Michael when Rick was a journalist for several soap magazines. Michael has seen his life and that of this great American institution change over those couple decades. From growing up in “small town Wisconsin” (like Rick), then moving to LA, from living in the closet to living out, from Lucci winning the Emmy (finally) and ONE LIFE TO LIVE breaking the spell of canceled soaps by moving from network TV to the internet, Michael has informatively and humorously rolled with the changes on his daily website called Michael Fairman On-Air On-Soaps (www.michaelfairmansoaps.com). Here he candidly tells lgbtSr all! RR: How, why and when did you start your website? Did it grow with hits fast or take time? MF: I started SoapCity.com for Sony Pictures Digital Entertainment in 1997. It was the first online portal for soaps ever. With this, I could bring all my talents together to connect worldwide fans closer to their stars. I have this insane knowledge of daytime and was able to parlay it into this successful model. In 2001, when the higher-ups wanted to make money off the site with $1.99 downloads of episodes, it was like watching your baby changing into someone else. I stepped away and went into producing and writing TV. In 2008, I wanted to create my own web platform with my own brand. In 2009, I did a 100% overhaul of that site which is what you see today. Coming back into it, (after so many years away) I saw how online had blossomed, but of course with that came a lot of online soap site competitors which made me want to make my video, interviews and presentation be very modern to stand out from the bad wrap of a soap’s traditional “grandma” feel. It launched with a big benefit for AIDS Walk Los Angeles as I have always believed in the social responsibility of the soap genre. We have increased traffic and hits by 100% in the last year. RR: Why your ongoing fascination with soaps and hasn’t the passion for them dwindled in general over the years? MF: Ricky Paul Goldin, Emmy-nominated again this year for his lead role on ALL MY CHILDREN which was recently canceled just asked me that same question, Rick. He commented that I have never abandoned my soap friends. I believe that you have to follow your heart and your passion even though it may not always seem to be the right decision at times. Look, it is human nature to be fascinated by doom and gloom. So while soaps seem to be dying due to lack of interest, their cancelations have conversely made folks want to look online and see where the genre is headed. My relationship with the actors and fans who I love has been for 23 years. Is it time for me to move on? It is a tough call. RR: The Michael who first started watching soaps as a young boy in Wisconsin vs. the Michael today living in Los Angeles…what was life like then vs. now? MF: As a kid I had huge dreams and aspirations. I wanted to leave Wisconsin really bad and pursue a career in acting and singing in NYC or Hollywood. I knew I didn’t fit in with where I was from at a very young age. Now, having lived a full fifty years, the spirit is still there, but what is real isn’t exactly what I dreamed. You get kicked down, you get up again. You must persevere. At times I questioned whether or not I was strong enough to handle it all. Then I look at it and see how much I have survived, and realized, I am strong and a survivor to boot! I have handled a lot of issues and kept on going. As an older gay man living in WEHO (West Hollywood, CA), I am surprised as I never thought I would be living in the Mecca for our gay community, in the thick of it. When I was in my 20s and 30s it was about my looks, something that is true for gay men in LA. It is superficial. I have always been out in a large city, so there has always been that “high school” pressure. I feel that the Gay community is often harder on itself and I wish we were more supportive of one another. And now at 50, I am looked at differently, as a Daddy. It drives me up a wall. (Laughs)
RR: Are the situations one faces growing up in a city in Wisconsin the same as those we see on air in a soap city like Genoa City on THE YOUNG AND RESTLESS which is also set in Wisconsin? MF: No. Where is the poor family on Y&R? Where is the character from the inner city of Milwaukee? Soap people are all beautiful and no one works at a brewery. (Laughs) Soaps are too glamorous for what it is really like out in America. But every soap at its center, and why it relates to people from the South to West to Midwest, is that it is about core family relationships, bringing kids up, falling apart, losing loved ones…it is an amped up version of what we may experience in Anywhere, USA on a daily basis. That was the successful formula of soaps for years. We could relate, and we could watch as a family….it became an extended family for many viewers. My moral values and the people I meet from the Midwest are salt of the earth. I get along best with them. Generally there is something to be said about moral values and backbones. They know what is right and wrong. You don’t find that in other parts of the country, and not always on soaps either. (Laughs)
RR: ONE LIFE TO LIVE and ALL MY CHILDREN are perfect examples of a recent slew of soaps that have been canceled. Why? Have they stayed current and real? MF: This didn’t just happen overnight. It is a domino effect. Networks have made decisions years ago which are making a difference today. When televising the OJ trial, the public fascination with that came into play. Now, TV executives see they can create a similar sensation at 40% less of the cost with reality/makeover shows in the daypart, or at least they think they can. Before that back in the 80s and 90s, they would use the large soap revenues and pour them into primetime shows. Coupled with that is the internal disappointment that soap producers and designers never really modernized the look and feel. GUIDING LIGHT tried to do this too late in the game with almost all location shooting yet they had no budget. It was too late for America’s oldest soap/TV series. Right now, OLTL is on a creative high. It has been riveting for months. It is number 3 in the ratings! On AMC, the results of bringing in its creator Agnes Nixon to fix the big mistakes from recent years of bad writing is just showing on-screen now. The decision to wipe out both shows at the same time is shocking. To put on two reality/ talk shows at once as replacements is crazy versus trying one to see how it does. ABC tried to breathe new life into an older art form with creative marketing campaigns but some of the audience was already gone. SOAP OPERA DIGEST may go out of circulation next year, but its numbers were dwindling for years. No one saw this? RR: An Entertainment Media/ internet company, Prospect Park, has signed licensing agreements with ABC to carry OLTL and AMC on the internet. As an expert in these two areas (web and soaps), will they succeed and will a new era for soap operas begin? MF: Rick, I wish I could tell you the answer. I am seeing positive things happening very fast. There are a lot of discussions happening, but it is shrouded in secrecy because of negotiations. The networks, the shows and the actors are all interested and excited, but when it comes down to it, it is all about how will they make money and will they be protected by their specific unions. Prospect Park is coming in as a player with a lot of cash and capital, so that brings hopes. Some variables that could make it problematic though are: What is the production model? They are saying they want the shows to be the same length and quality and have the same cast and studios. But will viewers watch on line for that long? They should. How will the budgets change? Can they afford the high salaries of veterans like Susan Lucci and Erika Slezak to allow them to move from TV to internet? And above all, will fans be okay with video on demand and subscription? In other words, will the soaps be sponsor driven with advertising or will the fans pay for them. It is all very interesting and fast paced right now. RR: DAYS OF OUR LIVES has shaken things recently by replacing its executive producers and headwriters, resolving to tell contemporary stories using characters who viewers have loved from years ago, steeped in tradition. The gay love story between Sonny and Will being the first story to launch and the first same sex story since DAYS inception in the mid 1960’s. Is this working? Is that story real? MF: They had to make the shift. It was at the bottom of the ratings. It lost 350,000 viewers in a matter of months. The stories were clearly off kilter. DAYS fans are diehard; the most loyal out there. They want to see their beloved favorites but yet get excited about fresh stories and characters. Fans are often fickle. They complain when certain characters are on air, then complain when they are off. DAYS cut its budgets to survive and canned Deidre Hall and Drake Hogestyn. Now they are both coming back as Marlena and John. But how long will they stay? As far as the gay storyline on DAYS it is just getting started. It is great because Sonny is the son of long time fan favorites Justin and Adrienne and Sonny has been gay from the getgo, so thank God it is not another coming out story. We have seen that a hundred times. And longtime favorite Sami’s son Will is who we are hearing will be the love interest for Sonny. We need to see more normal, everyday stories for LGBT characters. Why doesn’t THE BOLD AND THE BEAUTIFUL have a gay character? After all it is set in the fashion industry. There are fan bases for the gay couples that exist on daytime, yet this is an oxymoron still today. When I interviewed Y&R’s headwriter, Maria Arena Bell for PRIDE MAGAZINE she shared that people wrote and said, “We have no problem with gay characters, we just don’t want to see them on our show.” Maria said, “So what do I do as a headwriter with that? But, I would love to tell a gay story that is character driven and makes sense for our canvas.” Sadly, a few years ago, there were five gay stories on soaps, now there will be only one when AMC leaves the airwaves, and that will be on DAYS. The internet will allow us to explore and show more. Crystal Chappell’s LGBT themed web series, VENICE, regularly had lesbian characters kissing and in bed. So far, there aren’t the broadcast standards to uphold, which is great! It’s about time everybody got on the bandwagon because the TV and web convergence is here. RR: Then why haven’t we seen modern world conveniences like Grindr and Scruff enter into storylines making them more real? MF: App’s like these are so popular and so branded, and are used for dating and sex hook-ups more than any other outlet now. There are news stories that they are killing the “gay bar” as we know it. So sure, they will come into play as the “new soap” uses more product placement. Convergence is here…between TV and internet and soon between real world and reel world. It is finally all coming together. Social networking is all new territory to explore. Will these stories work? Do they work in our life, Rick? I don’t even have Gridnr, by the way, because I have a Blackberry! Unfortunately, once again, I can’t come to the party. If I get an iPhone, will my dating options be better? Would I have more fun? Does anyone date a fifty year old senior anymore? Ha! RR: How is your dating life? MF: It’s funny. When I do go out, it always comes down to the question of what one does for a living. They usually answer that they are an executive banker at Wells Fargo. Or recently, a date told me that he produced this show on CBS called CSI or something like that, and asked if I ever heard of it. Then it is my turn, and it is hard to explain what I do to begin with. So I simplify and say that I am a journalist for daytime drama who has my own website. “Ohhhhhhh,” they respond. Then dead silence, and I think back to high school, and all that I have done to keep in shape and be desirable at 50 and it all just slinks away on me at that moment. But, for those that don’t run, and do look at my website, they see how modern and legit it is, so that makes me feel good. There is hope! RR: So why aren’t you creating and producing the first majorly successful
internet soap, Michael? MF: I do know the platform, you are right; and I know the formula. When new actors or publicists, or show producers for the Daytime Emmys, and sometimes marketing outfits in the mainstream, come into the soap world, they always call Fairman! They don’t know the characters, the histories. They admittedly don’t know what works, what fans long for, and they feel safe and comfortable with me. It is both a unique and wonderful position to be in. I provide a voice for the fans and the actors which they can trust. It is that Midwestern integrity. I have never been a TMZ journalist, and the one time I did leak a secret, I got scolded so bad that I will never do that again. RR: So just one secret for our readers, please? MF: Well I do have vision. I do know the bigger picture. And I’m keenly watching what is going on here. Last month was our biggest to date….we had over 6 million hits on the site. Maybe the next step for Michael Fairman On-Air On-Soaps will be to do my own soap. I wonder if Andy Cohen at BRAVO who launched the REAL HOUSEWIVES series is single and uses Grindr? Now there is a gay man who really needs to be producing a soap. Do you know him? Let’s hook me up with him. A true soap on BRAVO or bravo.com? It’s time!]]> -
Interview: Stephanie Mott
By Mark McNease I first learned about Stephanie Mott when I saw an article on an educational tour she did through Kansas last July 4th weekend. After posting about it on this site, Stephanie dropped me a “thank you” email and I thought, what a terrific voice to add to the site. I wrote her back, and now we’re including her monthly columns. We also spoke on the phone and she’s as terrific as I thought she’d be. She was generous enough to share the following interview with me. MM: I’m delighted to have your columns on lgbtSr and wanted to give the readers a chance to get to know you. I first heard about you from reading of your educational tour through Kansas over the 4th of July weekend. What prompted that, and how do think it turned out? SM: I was just thinking about what to do over the long weekend, and the thought came into my head. People are always traveling across the country, or across the state for a cause. Once I had the thought, I think I just pretty much had to do it. The tour was undoubtedly one of the most remarkable four day stretches of my life. I connected on multiple occasions with people who knew a transgender person who was struggling in their journey. Had that happened only once, the tour would have been worth it. I also connected with people who wanted to know more, with people who were kind and accepting, and with a few people who were less kind. What I didn’t expect from the tour, was that I would look at myself in a different light. Is my prejudice against someone whose appearance suggests conservatism, getting in the way of my effectiveness as a transgender educator? How does that balance with my own safety? My upcoming column will describe the tour in greater detail. MM: I saw on your Facebook page that you recently celebrated four years of being Stephanie. Can you elaborate on that? SM: It is as if someone turned on a light. As though someone opened the door through which the nightmare is not allowed to follow. The impossible comes true in my life every day. There is a scene from the movie, “Fried Green Tomatoes”, during which Evelyn Couch (Kathy Bates) is telling her husband that she wants Ms. Threadgood (Jessica Tandy) to come live in their home. She explains to her husband how Ms. Threadgood has changed her life, and her husband asks, “What’s changed?” Evelyn says, “The air and the light”. Early in my transition, I spoke at a local high school Gay/Straight Alliance. I was horribly nervous and only spoke for a few minutes. After that presentation, a 17-year-old transgender person came up to me and said, “Oh my God, you changed my life.” In that moment, my life changed as well. I knew that I had to share about my journey. It would be understandable for a person to be bitter about the lost almost 50 years, but then I would have missed the last four years as well. I am blessed with the opportunity to take something horrible, and create something good. The last four years, have been so incredibly amazing, far more wonderful than I could have possibly imagined..
MM: Another part of your story that caught my attention is that you’re a member of Metropolitan Community Church of Topeka. I’ve been with MCC New York for about 17 years now. I think one of the greatest harms done to lgbt youth and adults is the lie that our lives are not compatible with faith. Can you speak to the place of faith in your life? SM: When I was trying to live as a man, I was in conflict with God. When I embraced the woman God created me to be, I came into harmony with God. The lie, and it is a lie, that you can’t be LGBT and have a relationship with God, kept me separated from God for a very long time. Then I found MCC of Topeka. My second time at MCC, Pastor Paul Evans did a sermon on II Corinthians 5:17, “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, they are a new creature. Old things are passed away. Behold, all things are become new.” I am sure he was preaching to me. I knew then, that God would be there for me in my transition. My definition of faith is knowing that God will give me everything I need to do whatever God wants me to do. My analogy for faith is the child, leaping without fear, in complete joy, from the edge of the swimming pool, and landing in the waiting arms of a parent. It took a while for me to learn to leap with that kind of joy. All things did indeed, become new. MM: I know your life has had its challenges – alcoholism, homelessness, estranged from your family at times. But you’ve come through it in such an inspiring way. What would you most want to say to people faced with similar challenges – as so many of us are? SM: It is so easy to lose sight of what’s possible, when you are in the midst of what’s horrible. I had been so certain, for so long, that I could not let anyone into my soul. Fear, anger, doubt, and shame kept me from reaching out. I had forgotten what it felt like to be a part of life. I had to learn to believe that it was ok to reach out to someone and let them know about what was happening inside me. When I began to do that, the light began to find its way inside of me too. Be as true to yourself as you can be. It was not possible for me to discover the miracles of life while I was denying my soul the light of self acceptance. MM: I know you founded the Kansas State Transgender Education Project (K-STEP). How is that going?
SM: K-STEP was a dream that was born on the day I cast away my “Steven suit”, On August 14, 2010, I brought together a number of people from across Kansas, and we formed a non-profit organization, Twelve days later, we incorporated. We are dedicated to bringing about an end to discrimination against transgender people and their families through education. We also provide resources for transgender people and their families. In our 11 months, we have provided over 65 educational forums and workshops. Some of them have been for PFLAG chapters and other friendly places. However, we have also done trainings for two major Kansas mental health centers, for one of the largest jails in the state, for a local health department, and for a number of faith communities. We just did a training for Ryan White Program case workers from across the state for Kansas Department of Health and Environment. It is hard to imagine that we could have come so far in such a short time. Two more major mental health centers, and one of the state’s largest county health departments are also on our upcoming schedule. MM: You’ve come such a long way, Stephanie. It really is a privilege to have you here on the site now as well. While it’s open to anyone to read (it’s online!), it is tailored to an over-50 readership. We believe life not only goes on, but goes on with a bang! Aside from being a little slower in the joints, I love being the age I am. Could you speak to life after 49? SM: I don’t feel old. Sometimes, my knees ache and all that. But I’ve never been more at peace. I have never been more able to experience the joys of life. I have experienced my second puberty at the age of 50. It has given me the opportunity to survive terror with a degree of dignity and grace. For reasons that are quite simple – in many ways I am only a few years old – life seems to have only just begun. I listened to two people one time talking about how this old woman did this, and this old woman did that. I asked them, “Just how old do you have to be to be an old woman?” They just stared at me. Then I said, “I would like to know, because someday, I would like to be one.”]]> -
Interview: Robin Webb from A Brave New Day
By Rick Rose Editor’s note: Recently, lgbtSr’s Rick Rose wrote here about his experience with HIV/AIDS 30 years on. Knowing that I was born in Mississippi, and himself living in Louisiana, Rick asked his former co-host from their days on WGEM in Quincy, IL and now on-air with Mississippi Public Broadcasting, Karen Brown, who to talk to about AIDS in the South. Karen introduced Rick to Robin Webb, an inspiration behind A Brave New Day, whose mission is to provide education and services and to advocate for people faced with life-challenging illnesses and conditions. RR: There is power in the name of your organization. How did you choose A Brave New Day? RW: Our organization is built on two complimentary principles, one, that personal empowerment is key to survival when faced with any life-threatening disease or condition and two, that every moment of every day must be fully embraced. For most of us in A Brave New Day’s peer survivor community, life and death literally tugs at you every morning you wake. It takes courage to take a deep breath, dust yourself off, dust the past off, endure the pains, the struggles, and choose life. I chose a Native American branding for A Brave New Day, using as our original logo a brave on a horse under the first light of day. He is essentially naked, surrendered. He is bowing to the sun with his spear at his side, clearly intent on conquering the day not so much with alpha force, rather in a state of humility and awe. For anyone who faces profound daily life challenges (don’t we all?), that image says it all. RR: 30 years into AIDS, is it really a pandemic anymore? Do people still care? How do you keep education and awareness alive? RW: We are still seeing 56,000 new infections in the US alone every single year. That number has not decreased for the last decade. American attention spans are short, particularly around HIV. Furthermore, people have always wanted to box HIV, to say “it’s just a gay thing” or “it’s just a black thing” or “it’s just this group that gets it or that group that gets it.” How far can one be from the truth! The virus knows no color or gender or sexual preference. We try very hard to continue speaking to the media, to continue offering community trainings and to advocate both on the local and national levels. Most of us who do federal advocacy, especially in DC, find ourselves fighting harder and harder to just hang on to medical and support services that already exist, which seem destined to be cut in this current political climate. This is discouraging, since we need ten times what exists now, to fight this pandemic. And oh yes, it’s still a pandemic. There are nearly 40 million people living with HIV and or AIDS on this planet today. There is a death from AIDS every 9 minutes. RR: The gay man you were then (as HIV entered your world) vs. the gay man you are now (as a senior, technically)? RW: Same man, different day, not so much different gay. Life goes on. You have a choice to say things like, oh I’ll never get intimate again, I despise my sexuality because of this virus, if only this if only that, but HIV is such profound experience. It teaches you who you are in no uncertain terms. It terrifies its host; it forces truth out of us. I have matured through this experience of aging with a lethal virus in my body and my psyche, so yes, externally speaking, I would have had a profoundly different life if HIV had never come knocking. Funny thing, though. Gay remains gay. Gay is gay is gay. Thank God it’s not a whim that just goes away if life circumstances go all wrong or if your partner dies, like mine did, or if a virus comes along. So if there is a deadly virus inside me, there is also “gay” my body and “gay” in my psyche as well, and for me that is a beautiful thing, nothing could be more life affirming.
RR: What is the ONE key difference between “AIDS in the South” and AIDS in the rest of the United States?
RW: The ONE key difference is – are — those TWO S’es with a line drawn through each one. $$, ching, ching. The South has been shortchanged, in terms of federal dollars and in many cases, nearly 10 to 1, for a long time and yet the epidemic has moved to the South. Putting it another way, the 10,000 PLWHA in Mississippi do no look the same in the eyes of the federal government as 10,000 PLWHA living in cities like Chicago or San Francisco. Housing assistance for people whose lives have been shattered, social support services, even access to life-saving medications, all components of comprehensive care are severely challenged in the South. Why is this? Because the feds just don’t like Southerners? No. Because since the beginning of the AIDS epidemic, before HIV really hit the South as hard as it is hit today, major urban areas built local advocacy into their infrastructure. They fought for their own, rightfully so. I know, I was there, I was a New Yorker during the 80s and 90s. We fought hard for every pill, every life-saving support service we got. We got empowered. We “ACT-ed UP.” The South just needs to build its own advocacy community. Southerners need to get louder about HIV/AIDS.
RR: It is 2011, when will the walls of ignorance, fear and discrimination come down? RW: I can only answer that for myself. Those walls are already down. For society, probably never. History seems to send that message. However, it doesn’t mean we have to stop trying. Jesus said it all. Love one another. Buddha, Lao Tzu, Rumi, Muhammed, Mother Theresa, Ghandhi, Confucious, King, they all agree. We have to keep saying it, love one another. That’s the best we can do. RR: As a LGBT Sr. who will you support for US President 2012? RW: I’d like to see President Obama get re-elected. However, he must get tougher on HIV/AIDS. We felt such promise around HIV when he got elected, however, his track record ain’t so good. Yes, he inherited a national catastrophe and yes, he’s dealing with very stubborn, very dis-compassionate non-progressives. But we now have waiting lists for people needing life-saving medications, numbering over 8,500 Americans. Although most of the responsibility is that of individual states, and they haven’t done their job, the President has the power to step up to the plate and do something about making certain all Americans living with HIV have access to critical medications and stable housing. He loses my vote if he does nothing. RR: Share with me about one individual we have lost who would have the most impact on your mission today, if s/he were still alive.
RW: There are so many. Hundreds, in fact. That is no exaggeration. My dear friend Trey Mangum died just last month. I am beside myself. The cause of his death was a heart attack, at 37 years old, just having received his PhD. in Social Work. For several years he was Executive Director at Grace House here in Jackson, a transitional living facility for persons living with HIV and/or AIDS, then Trey became Director of Housing at NO AIDS Task Force in New Orleans. I can already feel the impact of not having Trey around. I miss his mentorship and his support for our organization. However, when someone like Trey leaves the planet so suddenly, with so little explanation, his legacy and post-life presence seem even more intense, so I always have that to keep moving forward. Trey is one reason we keep on forging ahead. The hundreds of others I have known and lost, all of them equally significant, are also reasons to keep marching on. RR: If AIDS ended tomorrow, what would your next life be? RW: An avid hiker in Zion Park, Utah, Canyonlands, Grand Canyon, Glacier National Park, Bryce, Capitol Reef, Yellowstone and Yosemite. Oh wait, I already do that. A world traveler, 77 countries, all 7 continents. Oh wait, I just did that, still doing it. A fierce voice for social evolution and justice. Oops been there, still doing that. Write songs, work-out, appreciate every day. Hmm, already claimed. Ah well, I guess I wouldn’t change a thing. (Antarctica was cold.)]]> -
Interview: Bertis Shankle, Manager of Volunteer Programs for SAGE
I had the pleasure of meeting Bertis Shankle, the Manager of Volunteer Programs for SAGE, when I took their volunteer orientation a couple months ago. He conducts these sessions every second Wednesday at the LGBT Community Center in Greenwich Village. I’m a big believer in the mission of SAGE and in creating visibility for older LGBT people in general, and was delighted when he agreed to this interview. – Mark McNease Not everyone knows what SAGE is. Could you say a little about the organization and its mission? BS: SAGE stands for Services and Advocacy for GLBT (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender) Elders. The mission is encapsulated in the title, to serve the older adult LGBT community through advocacy and services. We’re here to enrich the lives of this very important population. You gave us a bit of personal history at the orientation. I know you started out as a volunteer yourself. What brought you to SAGE? BS: I had heard about SAGE from several different people. My then-partner had suggested I do volunteer work just after 9/11, which allowed me to be more flexible with working, but kept me involved. I was his caregiver. He had Hodgkin’s disease and was doing chemotherapy. We traveled a lot and he slept about 12 hours a day. So I had lots of time to give. We parted ways just as my tenure began as the “Thursday Coffee Boy.” I worked my new job schedule around my regular gig at SAGE. I did that for a year, until my work schedule changed and I went to regular Monday through Friday. I also had a regular Lend-a-Hand assignment, which lasted a year and a half, until my Friend at Home passed away. (He already had a Friendly Visitor who did all the paperwork, so I got to visit regularly and enjoy Henry’s company just like a Friendly Visitor.) You’re now the Manager of Volunteer Programs. What was the progression from making coffee early on to being in the position you have now? BS: I came into the office three years ago to see the Volunteer Coordinator, Ryan. I had done sporadic events volunteering after my other two assignments ended. So I was just dropping in to see what was the next need. He said he was leaving to further his fine arts studies, and I should consider applying for his full-time, paid position. I considered it about 20 seconds and threw my hat into the ring. I had always loved it here. I’m going to assume that managing volunteers is rewarding and also challenging. What are some of the realities of your job (are people reliable, for instance, do you get many cancellations, do you have to maintain a steady new supply of volunteers)? BS: You assume correctly about rewards and challenges. I often refer to myself as the center of all love in the universe. I help people find positions they can really enjoy, so the volunteers thank me. The people that are receiving the benefits of their services thank me. And then the work gets done, and my bosses and coworkers thank me. The rewards are not small in that way. But, yes, it has its challenges. It’s the nature of volunteering to get more cancellations than you would with a regular paid job. People have busy lives outside of our walls. I walked in those shoes, so I know that it can happen. We have to roll with the punches. I try to build in redundancy, but some of my projects I oversee are in Chelsea and my office is at the LGBT Community Center, so I sometimes wish I had a twin so I could be at two places at one time. But it runs pretty smoothly.
For people looking to volunteer, what is some basic advice you would give them? BS: Look to do what you love. A volunteer who is happy in her role will be of the best use to the organization they are hoping to serve. Rule number one of volunteering in my view is: Have a good time. I worked for a while in a recruitment advertising agency that tried to find the right person for every job, and it looked deep into each position to find the triggers that would attract the right candidate. I have to think on those terms, a little… but at a hundred miles an hour around here. One thing I heard from others at the orientation, and that was a driving idea behind this site (lgbtSr.com) is that lgbt people over 50 often feel as if they’re being disappeared. Is there anything you could say to address that sense of diminishment as we age? BS: That’s totally understandable. The gay magazines have youthful cover models, mostly shirtless, dancing, tanning, swimming. And mostly white males. How much of our lives is that, even at that age? How many of us ever fit that body type? So much more of what we are as a group is under-represented. But it’s also kind of like a wedge of cheese sitting in the produce aisle and crying, I’m so alone. If he were in the cheese aisle, he’d have a totally different experience. We are the cheese aisle for LGBT mature adults. Is that cheesy? That people feel diminished says they need an organization like SAGE and then need to work to find their niche here. We’re not all things to all people, but there are programs and groups and classes that address all types of people and the full range of interests. Not to knock the youth, we could all learn from one another. We do a lot of intergenerational programming. What I’m hoping is that people are going to have a better chance of finding like-minded people when they get involved at SAGE. Lastly, what’s your hope for SAGE in the future? BS: There are lots of great additions to our roster of services coming in the near future. Our executive director, Michael Adams, is a real visionary. But the best answer for what the future of SAGE needs can be boiled up into one word. You. Everyone has something to contribute. Not just as volunteers. Just by being a part of SAGE events, you add to the enjoyment. If you have needs, like social services or counseling, we grow as we serve our community. The more lives we touch, the more we are able to do. We just had an event out on Cherry Grove to honor a longtime SAGE Volunteer Harold Seeley. He has done the decorations for our socials for about 22 years and been involved in the community for many years more than that. Harold is a leader, but first, Harold was a joiner. He came to an event, he rolled up his sleeves, he got involved. And his life has been so rich because he dared to do something. Harold is my hero right now. He’s battling some health issues, but he’s never put down his glue gun. You should have seen him out there on the island, among his people. He’s the reason we exist. I’m especially inspired right now. It’s a great time to be part of this community. Don’t get me started! LGBT older people tend to experience higher rates of social isolation than their heterosexual counterparts, and they are more likely to be single, to live alone and to not have children or close family members to rely on for care giving. SAGE programs combat this isolation and help LGBT older people find support and services to improve their quality of life. Some of the programs we offer to LGBT older people in New York City include the Friendly Visitor program (where we match volunteers who pay regular visits to people who may be homebound); Lend-a-Hand visits (shorter-term, task-oriented errands and escorts); events that bring people out to mingle, classes to enrich people’s lives; and other programs to meet specific needs like care giving, job readiness and social services needs.]]> -
Interview: Mark Reed-Walkup on his Skype wedding and the Dallas Morning News
By Rick Rose Mark Reed-Walkup and his partner Dante Walkup made headlines for conducting their marriage ceremony via Skype with the couple in Texas and the minster in Washington, D.C. They were subsequently informed the marriage would not be honored, and had that disappointment compounded by the refusal of the Dallas Morning News to run their announcement. As it turned out, vindication was theirs, at least in part. Our own Rick Rose became friends with the couple through Mark’s niece Shanna. He caught up with Mark on the day their marriage announcement finally ran in the Dallas paper. Here they share their interview with you. RR: How did you first meet and did you know he was “the one” for you? MRW: I spotted Dante on the dance floor, dancing by himself, so full of life, self-confidence and thought he was the most handsome man in the world. We became best friends at first but on a trip to P-town together 11 years ago, we fell deeply in love and that trip changed our lives forever. RR: Was the thought of marriage even an option then? MRW: We never thought marriage would be an option in our lifetime. Same-sex marriage was not legal anywhere at that time. RR: At what point did you decide to marry? Who asked who and how? MRW: When we became partners, we created commitment vows that we would strive for in our relationship. One of those vows was to have “fun at fifty”, so when we turned 50, we decided it was time. I asked Dante to be my husband on a very romantic trip to New Orleans. RR: When was the first time you felt discrimination in your journey to marry and what emotions were evoked? MRW: We tried to submit our wedding announcement to the Dallas Morning News and were denied because of the ban on same-sex marriage in Texas. I had to go before a county judge to get a court-ordered name change because of the ban.. Discrimination has a very negative emotional impact every time you experience it. Its hurts, it’s degrading and it makes us both very angry at the way our community is mistreated and disrespected. RR: How and why did you decide to marry in Texas using a Washington, DC clergy? MRW: We’d been together for 10 years and had long intended to wait until marriage equality came to our state, but as we moved into our 50s we realized that time was still a long way off. Then Dante was in an automobile accident and our experience at the hospital put things into perspective. You can read all the details in an article I wrote after the wedding.
RR: How were you notified that your marriage was being contested and how did you react? MRW: We received a letter from the D.C. marriage bureau 6 weeks after receiving our marriage certificate. It was the day before Thanksgiving and it was devastating to us both. After so many legal analysts agreed we had found a loophole, they closed it and annulled our marriage without even attempting to contact us to confirm the “news” they read about was true. RR: When you placed the announcement in the paper, did you expect the response you got? MRW: Their 2003 policy still in affect allowed same sex couples to place engagement and anniversary announcements. It also allowed couples to place commitment announcements, which were seen as very progressive back at the time of their policy change. This change occurred before same sex marriage was legal anywhere. We fully expected them to place our wedding announcement because of their policy on engagement and anniversary ads. How could they allow those ads and not allow the announcement of the event itself? We assumed they would just update their policy again as Texas gay couples can get married elsewhere. RR: How did it feel when you were vindicated and the ruling came down in your favor with the paper? MRW: We were encouraged that the city agreed there was a possible case of discrimination when they launched the formal investigation. Once the Dallas Morning News responded via their legal team and had no interest in mediation, we directly reached out the CEO and asked for a meeting to try and work out this issue. We met with them twice and at the second meeting they agreed to make a change to their policy because as the CEO stated, “it was the right thing to do.” RR: Why does anti-lgbt discrimination exist in 2011 and what is the basis for it? How might anyone reading this help use move forward? MRW: Certainly religion has played a large role in the hatred felt by many toward our community as it has for other minority groups such as African Americans. Insecure people often fear the “unknown” and enjoy having a sense of power over people. Many homophobic people are also very insecure with their own sexual identity and express their hatred about gay people so others won’t think they are gay themselves. Thankfully, attitudes toward gay people are changing because so many people have come out of their closets and shared their true lives with their friends and families. The number one motivator for us to fight the Dallas Morning News was how it important it is for people to read stories about loving committed same-sex couples. We know that when people see that we are really no different than other committed couples, their attitudes will often change about gay people. We also wanted gay youth be able to see that marriage is possible and it might give them hope for their future.
RR: Projecting positively in the future, when do you think Texas will pass same-sex marriage, and if elected for a second term, do you think Obama should AND/OR would lead to overturn DOMA (the federal Defense of Marriage Act)? MRW: I believe marriage equality will come to Texas via a Supreme Court decision just as the Loving vs. Virginia case ended discrimination against inter-racial couples. If the Democrats take back the House and keep the Senate, we might have a shot of repealing DOMA if the Supreme Court hasn’t overturned it. DOMA is clearly unconstitutional now that a large population of citizens live in states where marriage equality exists. DOMA was passed in 1996 before same-sex marriages were legal anywhere in this country. RR: Why do you continue with this fight? MRW: We fight this fight because we don’t want the next generation to face discrimination and can live their lives to their fullest poten tial.
RR: With all your experience and vigor, what do you say to a new and young, say 21-year-old, member of the LGBT community…as far as what to expect and how to live, to make a difference? MRW: We would say to them to be very proud of who you are and believe in yourselves. We have come such a long way in forty years and we need you to join the battle for full equality. You have a wonderful life ahead of you because of those who have fought hard for the rights we won to date. Do not accept discrimination at any level and learn know that one person can make a difference and help change the world to make it a better place for everyone.]]> -
Interview: Kimberley Joy Ferren (Kjoy)
Kimberley (left) and her partner Corinne I met Kimberley through our mutual friend (and my longtime collaborator) Rick Rose, who also writes for this site. I loved her energy, her eagerness, and her photoart! This is a get-to-know with her and I’m delighted to give readers the chance to find out who Kjoy is, what’s she’s about, and to enjoy her energy as much as I do. You can see her photoart here. – Mark You’ve joined lgbtSr as a regular columnist/blogger and I wanted to introduce you by way of an interview. Can you tell us where you live and how you got there? Kjoy: As noted in my bio, I’m a native Californian, born in San Francisco (an influence to being gay?), but I grew up less than an hour north of Hollywood in Thousand Oaks. When we moved there it was still very much a prairie behind our house and several westerns were filmed there, and the sets stayed behind for playing in. Once my mom drove us to see a huge wagon train scene with Indians attacking and we ended up ruining the shot. My mom high-tailed-it out of there before they could catch us and send her the bill. Later I went to Ventura Jr. College then to Long Beach State University, then three years in St. Louis, MO. When that relationship ended I rushed back to SoCal and been here ever since. For that last 17 years I’ve been a “Valley Girl,” (San Fernando Valley) and for several years lived literally behind the famed Galleria in Sherman Oaks (“Like fursure!”). Four years ago, Corinne and I moved with our big dogs to a small adobe style house in the small city of San Fernando (VERY hard to find a place that allows big dogs in LA). The Latin flavor of this community has been a huge influence and subject of my photography and photoart. It is a town where old school is attempting to modernize and the townspeople are struggling with the transition. I’m proud to be a part of the movement forward. I say I am “a gringa with a Latin heart.” You and your spouse have been together 16 years. How did you meet? Kjoy: I met my sweetheart at the West Hollywood club, GirlBar. We had mutual friends. At the end of the night all friends danced together and I thought she was cool. The next week my friend and I are dancing, and from behind, I see a hot womyn in jeans and cowboy boots, and when they turn I realize it’s the same womyn from the week before (I couldn’t remember her name). Anyway, it’s the end of the night so I go pull her on to the dance floor. When the night ends I handed her my business card and use the oddest pick-up line, “Call me I’ll make you dinner.” Corinne says she went to her friends and said, “Do I look like I need to eat?” Our first date ended up with me taking her to a gay Alanon meeting. Talk about a cool chick! It was actually my therapist who encouraged me to give her a chance (the relationship before that ended due to their alcohol abuse). I finally made her that meal and we’ve been together ever since. Lucky me! What’s the best thing about being with someone for 16 years? Any downside? Kjoy: The best thing is that you don’t have to be pretty all the time. You can wear underwear instead of lingerie (except to date nights of course!) and you don’t have to worry about make-up and your hair being “hot” at all times. You can relieve gas, eat messy foods, not panic if you’ll gain weight or they’ll judge you. Not that being healthy isn’t important, it just falls down the list and you welcome elastic-banded sweats over can’t breathe going-out jeans. It is also about having sides of the bed and knowing each other’s pillows and then spooning to sleep and waking-up with your best friend and not freaking-out about bad breathe (well sort of, but you don’t rush out of bed over it). And to tell the truth, Corinne still takes my breath away even when she’s just sitting on the couch with the dogs watching a Dodger game. The downside of years together is that you get COMFORTABLE. This is a very dangerous word/situation in any relationship. You forget the little things, the hugs, kisses, touches, asking about the day AND LISTENING (my bad). I have to remind myself to CHERISH this amazing womyn, not just love her. Especially now that we’re over 50, life choices matter. You need more than just a playmate, but a partner. And it should be someone you can laugh with, and often. Life’s too short to not have joy in it (just because it’s my middle name doesn’t mean I’m not crabby at times). As a couple you need to stop the pulls of life and kiss and hold each other. Awesome. You got into photography later in life, as you talk about on your website. Can you say a little about pursuing a passion when society might think we should be settled into our cubicles of whatever making? Kjoy: Growing-up I was always jealous of the arty out-going kids. I wanted to be them but was afraid. I used to say to my mom, “They live on the other side of the line.” Though I pursued careers where I had artistic say and input and even some of my photography and film edits were used for music covers and music videos, I didn’t see it as art, but part of my job. So when I hit 50 it really was a landmark by age and an epiphany as an SR. I had a second-half to look forward to so what was I going to do with it? When my friend gave me his used Nikon Coolpix and a copy of Photoshop, and I started to shoot and play with the images in the computer, then got amazing feedback, I realized that for the first time in my life I had truly stepped over that artistic line. I also believe that being an SR gave me the gumption to test the waters and actually walk into La Galleria Gitana in San Fernando and ask how one gets to show their work – and then did. It really was, and continues to be, about JUST WALKING THROUGH THE DOORS and stepping over those lines. If I had continued to be afraid I would not have gotten into my first show. I just hoped to show a couple pieces, but was asked to show 24 (both prints and canvas/giclees) and was given my own room! WHO KNEW! I also write (screenplay and playwriting). One day I saw a previously closed theater reopening so I WALKED IN and now I am coordinating their playwrights’ reading series (it is being run but two gay men also going for it after years of wanting their own theater!). DO IT! What’s there to lose? We already have Depends in our future so no need to stay off the pot (so to speak). GO FOR IT! You’ve expressed a refreshing enthusiasm for writing for this lgbtSr audience. What makes it interesting for you? Kjoy: I have always been a writer. It was my way to escape a volatile household. In writing I could be anywhere and anyone and have romances with womyn, a say it was just fiction. As a publicist I wrote to promote others. As a screenwriter/playwright there is always the challenge of “making it.” What intrigued me to write for lgbtSR.com was that here I get to revel in my age, that I get to be an open lesbian, that I get to write what matters to me, or just write for the fun of it, and share an at times playful and wa rped look at getting older in the gay world. I feel privileged to be part of this site that will grow and be a forum for the many SRs out there loving life, and struggling with the sagging and aches and the freedom of not giving a shit anymore. We’ve lived it honey. We have the right to own it and sell it and flaunt it! And know what? I’m still 30 in my minds-eye as long as I avoid the mirror! My own decision has been to live as fully and appreciatively as I can, in honor of the many fine men I knew in my 20s who didn’t live long enough to write a blog post for this site. What advice would you give to the LGBT over-50s who might think fun stops at 49? Kjoy: What is fun anyway? Most times now I’m too damned tired to get all made-up for a night out and feel unattractive and don’t want to deal with the young lgbt world outside. But then I regroup, and remind myself that just because I don’t go out amongst the young that I didn’t quit. Hell no! I just stay in my sweats and turn on the Go-Gos, or B-52’s or Prince, or whoever was the music of your time, and dance like a damn-fool in the middle of my living room with my womyn and the dogs – or alone. Afterwards I take Advil or drink some wine and all is fine. Other times I just allow myself to be the lump on the couch and just enjoy it. Okay, yes it is hard to accept that we don’t have the perfect body anymore (though some still rock it!), and that we may be overweight, wrinkling here and there, have aching joints, and not able to pull off the hip styles of the day, and due to all of this we then become reticent to go out to “gaytown” believing the younger set will be judging, even laughing, at us. But then again, maybe not. Think back. Don’t you remember being young and seeing those older lesbians and gay men and WANTING THEM and WANT THEM TO WANT US. Truthfully I thought they were amazing. I wanted them to teach me. So I say we owe it to all those past SRs who inspired and entranced us, and taught us, and be there for the young of today. Show them that AGE DOES NOT MATTER, we are going to have a hellava good time on the dance floor no matter what jiggles and some of them will be turned-on by it – really. And once we’ve had our fill, we’re going to just dance out the door of that club and take that attitude in to creating our dreams, be it an artist, a perfect job, build online endeavors (go Mark!), travel the world, become chefs, produce films and plays, or use our knowledge to improve the world – WHATEVER! I’m living proof it works! Join me! When we get tired and need a break? We’ll just find a recliner or a poolside cabana and enjoy the view til’ we get our second wind.]]> -
Interview: Kathi Hill, attorney for the defense
I met Kathi Hill through Frank, and over the last nearly five years I’ve had the pleasure of long conversations with Kathi at the kitchen table. We manage to visit her a couple times a year, and she makes it to the house in New Jersey annually. Kathi was a prosecutor once upon a time, but has been a defense attorney now for some time. Kathi’s among the most engaging, interesting, intelligent and passionate people I know. The sort of person I can talk to for an hour and not notice how long it’s been. She was kind enough to offer an informal chat at her mother’s house in Bethany Beach, DE, this past 4th of July weekend. Most of the interviews here are written, but once in a while I have the opportunity and the pleasure of sitting down in front of a Flip Cam and just chatting. This was one of them.]]>
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Interview: David Webb – The Rare Reporter
When I first launched lgbtSr.com I started looking around for contributors. The intention was to have a variety of voices and writers on the site. I was looking at different news items out there in the lgbt Intersphere (or blogiverse or webaxy or whatever you want to call it) and I saw some articles from a writer named David Webb (The Rare Reporter, as you’ll see). I reached out to David, we spoke on the phone that same day, and he’s been contributing since then. He’s a veteran reporter and I thought an interview would be a good way to get to know him better. I think you’ll agree. David’s in Texas, by the way. I read his column in a Florida paper, called him from New York City, and here we are. Why ‘The Rare Reporter’? Where did that come from? DW: About 10 years ago when I was a staff writer for the Dallas Voice a public relations representative for Razzle Dazzle, an LGBT charitable event, was particularly pleased about a story I did announcing the upcoming event. The former television reporter called me and said that she viewed me as a rare reporter. It was unusual for me to get such a compliment because I often wrote about controversial issues that displeased a lot of people in the community. The publisher of the Dallas Voice and my colleagues thought it was humorous because I had been called so many unfavorable things in the past and they nicknamed me The Rare Reporter. When I started writing a column I struggled for a long time to create a name for it. Suddenly it occurred to me my moniker was The Rare Reporter, and so I made it official. I first noticed your writing at South Florida Gay News and I know you’ve been reporting in the LGBT media for a long time. How did you get started? DW: I worked in the mainstream media after my graduation from the University of Texas with a degree in journalism. I covered just about every beat imaginable for several years. In 1981 when I first heard about the “gay cancer” afflicting men in San Francisco I became intrigued and started reading everything I could find on the subject. When it became obvious that a horrible epidemic was spreading through the country and that cases had been found in Texas, I started seeking out patients, interviewing them and writing about AIDS. The epidemic sparked unprecedented activism by gay men and lesbians, and I started writing about that as well. I saw a great need for information because most mainstream newspapers in Texas shied away from the subject at first. Even alternative publications in Texas preferred to limit coverage of gay issues to the occasional small report. I remember having some pretty horrific arguments with an editor about her belief that I was devoting too much of my time to gay issues. Today, she acknowledges that she was wrong, and that I was correct that the issue was of huge importance to both gay and straight people. What’s changed in the media landscape over the last couple of decades, with the advent of digital media and the seeming death of print? DW: Print publications no longer can compete effectively in the area of breaking news. The public wants to know what is happening immediately and they turn to television and the Internet to satisfy that curiosity. Younger people simply don’t like to sit down with a newspaper. As a result subscriptions are down and so is advertising revenue. That has forced newspapers to drastically cut editorial staffs. There is less investigative reporting and a lot of news in smaller areas simply goes unreported because newspapers have become more oriented toward pleasing the community and not stirring up controversy. Newspapers are now struggling to present coverage of breaking news on the Internet as quickly as it happens, much like you see with television reporting. It is requiring print publication editors and reporters to become adept at multi-media skills to accomplish that goal. Newspapers are also struggling to find ways to generate income from their Web sites through subscriptions and advertising revenue. You live in Texas. Is there a difference, and do you have a preference, for local reporting versus what you might write for, say,lgbtSr.com? DW: Reporting for an LGBT audience — even in a large metropolitan area — is much like writing for a small town newspaper. The readers are far more engaged with the staff of LGBT newspapers than the readers of mainstream publications. It is often difficult to convince these readers that the reporting of news that portrays certain LGBT people and groups in an unfavorable light is as important as good news. There is less interaction with readers when I write for national publications. I like and am committed to both types of coverage so I guess an even mix of both best suits me. Is there any advice you could offer someone new in the journalism game, regardless of their age? DW: I think reporters and editors should be multi-skilled. Today, it is necessary to be able to shoot videos, take pictures, write, edit and stay abreast of all technological developments in media. Beyond that, I think journalists should learn a little bit about all media beats, such as crime, politics, sports, entertainment, business, etc., before deciding to specialize in any one area of coverage. The business is getting really competitive so a journalist who can do it all is obviously more valuable than one who has limited abilities. Is there any one particular story you’ve covered or incident in your reporting career that stands out? DW: I wrote an investigative story a few years ago about the large number of unsolved murders of gay men in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. That story sort of haunted me because it appeared clear that all of these men were killed by someone whom they had met for an anonymous sexual encounter. It is sort of spooky to know there is a killer or several killers out there somewhere who lured gay men to their deaths and are likely still free to kill again. This site is primarily aimed for those of us over 50. What’s the best thing about living long enough to be in that category? DW: After having watched countless friends die during the AIDS epidemic, I’m just grateful to be alive today. I feel fortunate to be able to pursue the work I love and my other interests, such as travel, my friends, my family, my pets, nature, the arts and whatever else attracts my attention. I have a much greater appreciation for life today than I did 30 years ago.]]>
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INTERVIEW: Steve Hayes, 'Tired Old Queen at the Movies'
“I love acting, I enjoy writing, when it’s working, however, I LOVE talking about old movies more than anything in the world and I think it’s so important to cultivate new audiences for them in order to keep the art form alive. The thing that’s surprises me most, is that there are so many people, young and old alike, who have never heard of, let alone seen, many of these classics.” – Steve Hayes, ‘Tired Old Queen at the Movies’ I had the pleasure of interviewing Steve Hayes, familiar to many as the ‘Tired Old Queen at the Movies’ on YouTube. Steve’s reviews of old movies – and he prefers ones that aren’t obvious – have become a hit, and I’ve been enjoying them for some time now. I wanted to ask Steve a few questions about TOQ and his life overall, and he was gracious enough to grant me the following interview. lgbtSr: Thanks for this interview, I feel privileged. You’re the only YouTube sensation I’ve met. Your reviews of old movies for ‘Tired Old Queen at the Movies’ are quite a success. What inspired you to do this? SH: My director and mentor, Vincent Cardinal, suggested it; “Steve Hayes, you should be a household name and I think I know how to do it. We’ll sit you down in your apartment, with all your memorabilia, hand you a DVD of a classic movie and let you talk off the top of your head about it, like you do at every dinner party. We’ll make each episode four or five minutes in length. Now, what do you want to call it?” Without missing a beat I said; “STEVE HAYES; Tired Old Queen at the Movies.” lgbtSr: Were you expecting the kind of viewership you’ve had with TOQ, and was it sudden or more of a slow build? SH: I’m not sure what I expected. All I knew for certain was, I had never enjoyed doing anything as much. I figured that was a good barometer. I also trust Vince’s instincts about things. This business is always about reinventing yourself and I knew that at my age, everyone who’s in power in the business is younger and if I was going to get them to notice me and perhaps want to work with me, I had better jump on board the current “technological bandwagon” and “get with it”. TOQ started slowly, then picked up rather quickly. I’m thrilled and delighted with the responses I’ve gotten. Especially since my viewers are all so different. Gays, straights, young, old, across the board, from all over the world. For example, a fabulous friend and cartoonist named Wayne Wilson who lives in TOKYO, became a fan and has done marvelous animated cartoons of me. lgbtSr: You’ve got quite a resume, with acting, singing, and writing credits galore. Of all the different things you do, is one most important or most enjoyable to you? SH: I love acting, I enjoy writing, when it’s working, however, I LOVE talking about old movies more than anything in the world and I think it’s so important to cultivate new audiences for them in order to keep the art form alive. The thing that’s surprises me most, is that there are so many people, young and old alike, who have never heard of, let alone seen, many of these classics. In choosing selections for TOQ, I try and avoid the films I feel everybody knows; only to realize that it’s such a misconception. So many people have never seen these classic films. One of the biggest obstacles being that many young people simply won’t watch anything shot in black and white. This seems unbelievable to me, since the art of black and white cinematography is so amazing. Years ago when Ted Turner colorized so many classics, everyone had a fit, but I knew he did it for a reason. It got the young people to watch these great “story driven” movies. Once he established TCM, colorization virtually stopped, because he finally had them hooked. I went to a TCM screening of ALL ABOUT EVE, and purposely sat with a group of twenty year olds who not only had never seen it, but also had never seen a Bette Davis movie. They were blown away. Not only by her, but also by the witty dialogue. So, I of course urged them to watch TOQ and everything else. lgbtSr: We’re both New Yorkers. Is this where you see yourself spending the rest of your life? What’s good and what’s bad about living in NYC? SH: I never want to leave New York as long as I live. Period. I can’t imagine living anywhere else. I have lived here since the mid-seventies and of course, I’ve seen a lot of changes. However, that is the greatest thing about this town. It’s constantly changing and it forces you to change as well. Change, especially as I’m getting older, is so important. Otherwise, it’s easy to become stagnant, too opinionated, and too set in your ways. Seniors in this city are tough. We’ve lived through a lot. But we’re also independent and this place instills that in you. I’ve traveled all over the world and as nice as those places are, I’m never sorry to come home to New York. lgbtSr: Is TOQ something you see going on indefinitely, or does it have a shelf life? SH: I hope to do it as long as it works. I love it. I also have the most wonderful team helping me. My amazing cinematographer and editor Thomas Meacham, who shoots the episodes, finds the clips to back-up and compliment whatever I’m talking about, and edits it all together, making it seem smooth and effortless, Dale Edwards who helps me shoot and promote the series, my co-host John ( Johnny) Bixler, who does the lovely intros each week and of course, Vince Cardinal who oversees, advices and designs the beautiful backdrops for each episode. Without them, not only wouldn’t I be doing I, it wouldn’t be the success it is. lgbtSr: This interview is for the site, lgbtSr.com. I saw a space there that needed to be filled with something other than horror stories about being old and gay – evil nursing home attendants, attempted deathbed conversions. What’s the upside to being gay and aging? SH: Well, in this city there are so many things to see and do and many of them don’t cost a lot The LGBT Community Center offers so many wonderful activities and programs to and the internet allows you to be more aware of all the various happenings throughout the city. I think the hardest thing about getting old is not buying into it. I still feel about twelve in my mind most of the time. You’re body has it’s natural course it follows, but your mind can still be vibrant and open to new experiences and changes. Personally, I think there’s too much emphasis on “youth”, especially in the Gay community. It’s such a relatively short time span in the general length of your life. Everyone get’s old and everyone has something to offer. We should all be together. I remember when I came to New York, the Gay bars were filled with people of all ages mingling together and enjoying each other’s company. I don’t see that as much anymore. After you reach a certain age, you become invisible. Personally, I just want to look good for my age and be a vital and hopefully interesting person. I think holding onto your youth is one thing, taking it prisoner is another.]]>
lgbtSr: Thanks again, this means a lot to me. Who plays you in the biopic? SH: Years ago, I would have said Marie Dressler, because more and more, I think I look like her. Thank God! Thank you for asking me to do this and for being such a fan of “STEVE HAYES; Tired Old Queen at the Movies”. You’ve made this “Tired Old Queen”, very happy. Ciao!
INTERVIEW: Rev. Pat Bumgardner – MCC New York
I had the pleasure of interviewing one of my true inspirations, Rev. Pat Bumgardner from Metropolitan Community Church of New York (MCC New York). I first heard Rev. Pat on a Sunday morning fifteen or so years ago, and the power of her sermons, with their clear social justice message and their profound inclusion, which is something you feel immediately at this church, has kept me coming back ever since. She’s a safe space unto herself, and it was a privilege to get some time to talk with her.]]>
INTERVIEW: Changing jobs upstream, with Michael Loman
“I think seniors have an advantage in one way: they are perceived to be more responsible, more reliable, more able to do excellent work with a positive attitude. Age and experience and responsibility definitely have impact in this area. People want to hire people who are reliable and who will do the job well.” – Michael Loman, Professor, Film and Television, Boston Unviersity I’ve known Michael Loman, now a professor of film and television at Boston University, since we met in Los Angeles almost 20 years ago. We moved to New York City together in 1993 and have remained close friends ever since. When I wanted to do an interview with someone who changed careers later in life, Michael was the first person I thought of. He was faced with a sudden change, met the challenge and came out the other side doing just fine. Following is my interview with him, which he managed to do while preparing for his next semester in Boston. lgbtSr: You had a successful career in television writing and producing, culminating with 10 years as the executive producer of Sesame Street. What was it like being faced with a career change in your 60s? ML: It was like being knocked over and flattened by a big tornado. Now I know what Dorothy went through, but it could have been worse. I could have had a house fall on top of me. Obviously, it was devastating. lgbtSr: When you found yourself having to think of the next step in your career, was there a process? Did you immediately think of teaching, or was there an evolution? ML: There was an evolution. I tried several ventures that failed. One venture I tried was to set up private classes to teach television script writing. I paid a lot of money for brochures and ads and I hired a student to help place the brochures in colleges and private schools in New York. I later found out that she never placed any brochures anywhere but took the money I paid her each week. So this venture failed. Then you suggested I teach and I did have a background in teaching, but on a secondary school level before I began my writing career. I had no interest in teaching secondary school. Who wants to deal with those discipline problems at my age, or any age? Teachers go through hell. But teaching on a college level made much more sense. And besides, that is the appropriate level for teaching my subject matter which is writing television situation comedy scripts. So I created a syllabus for teaching this subject and applied to every college in the tri-state area that had a big television department. No one would hire me. One professor at Princeton University called me and almost had a stroke that I had had the temerity to suggest I might teach this at Princeton. Finally, the Co-chair of the Film department at Yale University actually picked up the phone when I called and suggested I apply to the seminar program that the various colleges at Yale sponsored. This is a program that allows students to take courses that Yale does not teach. I did and my syllabus was accepted. The first day teaching I had over a hundred kids sitting in all the way down the hall trying to get one of the 15 spots in the class. The class worked out very well. The student evaluations were terrific. I taught this class for a few years and then the Co-Chair of the Film Department hired me to teach it and eventually other courses as an adjunct at Yale in the film department.